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    NEWNAN, Ga. (AP) - Across the Bible Belt this Halloween, some little ghosts and goblins might get shooed away by the neighbors - and some youngsters will not be allowed to go trick-or-treating at all - because the holiday falls on a Sunday this year.

    "It's a day for the good Lord, not for the devil," said Barbara Braswell, who plans to send her 4-year-old granddaughter Maliyah out trick-or-treating in a princess costume on Saturday instead.

    Some towns around the country are decreeing that Halloween be celebrated on Saturday to avoid complaints from those who might be offended by the sight of demons and witches ringing their doorbell on the Sabbath. Others insist the holiday should be celebrated on Oct. 31 no matter what.

    "Moving it, that's like celebrating Christmas a week early," said Veronica Wright, who bought a Power Rangers costume for her son in Newnan. "It's just a kid thing. It's not for real."

    It is an especially sensitive issue for authorities in the Bible Belt across the South.

    "You just don't do it on Sunday," said Sandra Hulsey of Greenville, Ga. "That's Christ's day. You go to church on Sunday, you don't go out and celebrate the devil. That'll confuse a child."

    In Newnan, a suburb south of Atlanta, the City Council decided to go ahead with trick-or-treating on Sunday. In 1999, the last time Oct. 31 fell on a Sunday, the city moved up trick-or-treating to Saturday, which brought howls of protest.

    "We don't need to confuse people with this," Councilman George Alexander said.

    In Vestavia Hills, Ala., a suburb of Birmingham, a furor erupts every time Halloween falls on Sunday. Local officials decided not to take a stand this time.

    "About 15 years ago, we decided to have Halloween on Saturday instead. People went crazy. We said, 'Never again,'" recalled Starr Burbic, longtime secretary to the mayor. "It messed everybody up to move Halloween. Some people don't like having it on a Sunday, but we just couldn't find a way to make everyone happy."

    The patchwork of trick-or-treat zones could work to children's advantage: Some might go out on both nights to get all the treats they can.

    With so many towns split over when Halloween should be celebrated, many are going with a porch-light compromise: If people do not want trick-or-treaters, they simply turn off their lights, and parents are asked not to have kids knock there.

    "Most people don't have a problem with it. It's a pretty universal compromise, so that's what we go with," said Grand Rapids, Mich., police Lt. Douglas Brinkley.
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    Idiots.

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    Good God Almighty!!!!! We have shopping on Sunday, we have people working on Sunday. People even die on Sunday. What the hell is wrong with some people????

    I have NEVER looked at Halloween as "celebrating the devil". It has ALWAYS (to me anyway) been a night when kids get to go out, dressed up in all kinds of costumes to get "treats" of various kinds. That"s ALL!!!!

    Some people HAVE to spoil everything.

    When I was small (I WAS once!)we were allowed to go with a group of friends. These days kids MUST have an adult with them in order that nothing happen to them. Don't take Halloween away from the kid. AMEN!!!!! [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] [img]confused.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]mad.gif[/img]

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    Why are they idiots? Please explain your reason for coming up with that. Just wanted it explain so we can have a reasonable discussion. Thanks.

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    Since I am not a churchgoer, I think I can put this inm proper perspective.

    On Sundays everyone dresses up kinda funbny or different.
    If you are a Football fan, such as myself, you probably wear your teams jersey or hat or something (simply use any sport in any season). Chances are you have some kind of thing where you watch the game either at home at a bar or restaurant or even at the game itself. Chances are during that game you scream something that could be construed as religious [img]wink.gif[/img]

    If you are a churchee, you get gussied up to go to church and then if you do communion, that is kinda like trick or treating. [img]eek.gif[/img]

    Working in the yard, sweating, spitting in dirty clothes...


    So, they have it all wrong, Sunday is by definition the 7th day of the week (depening how you look at it) and since it is. It is supposed to be a day of rest or whatever relaxes you or is fun.

    Or something like that.


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    They're idiots because they are ignorant of the origins of Halloween. It has nothing at all to do with the devil, or devil worship.

    Brief history here.

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    I loved Halloween as a kid. I dressed up every year as a "hobo". It would give me the chance to smoke the cigar I used as part of my costume. A few neighbors always threatened to rat me out to my mom but never did. Then I would have to find a neighbor burning leaves and stand by the fire talking for a little while to mask the smell of the cigar. [img]cool.gif[/img]

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    GL - You were devious as a child? You started young, didn't you? [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]

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    Originally posted by G L:
    I loved Halloween as a kid. I dressed up every year as a "hobo". It would give me the chance to smoke the cigar I used as part of my costume. A few neighbors always threatened to rat me out to my mom but never did. Then I would have to find a neighbor burning leaves and stand by the fire talking for a little while to mask the smell of the cigar. [img]cool.gif[/img]
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">GL, your lifetime aspirations are NOT the point here. [img]smile.gif[/img]

    I am so sick and tired of ignorant people deciding that Halloween is the devil worship! Back when J & L were in elementary school, the school decided to "ban" the traditional Halloween parade because some people (mostly Muslims) were offended.

    I countered with going into each and every classroom with handouts and historical references to Halloween.

    Since 12, 15 years ago facts still had a part in history, the kids had their Halloween.

    All y'all's who are keeping score can mark that as my decided dislike of other cultures infringing on all things American.

    And aside here... We were in Spain, where Bullfighting is part of the national culture. I don't get it. I was told by a Spaniard that unless one is born there, the art of bullfighting is lost on the crowd. I wouldn't at all mind living in Spain (politics aside), but I damned sure wouldn't insist that they stop bullifighting because it offended my American sesibilities.

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    As the article up top points out, the primary opposition to Halloween comes from Fundie Christians; when are they going to stop infringing on our culture? My sister refused to allow her kids to participate in Halloween, now I think she is embarrassed at what a Dork she was...

    It's amazing how much fun it is for the little ones, they plan ahead for it all year long starting the day after Halloween...

    <font color="#000002" size="1">[ October 18, 2004 09:45 PM: Message edited by: LanDroid ]</font>

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    My sons' school decided to have a storybook dress-up on the last day of school before Halloween. They have to choose a book, then dress up as one of the characters. We already went out and bought costumes for this year, so I'm not happy. Now I have to make a 2nd costume for school.

    Or, I could just go out and buy Hot Wheels and Ninja books! [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]

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